California zero emission zones

[Herb Iffrig]

I just saw this on youtube. It made me think of this thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ7ykSfY-t8

[tdump]

I just saw this on youtube. It made me think of this thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ7ykSfY-t8

And that mentions the reason you won't see a antique plate on my vehicles.
Would the last sane person leaving california please turn off the lights?

[babychadwick]

The insanity spreads. If all those people leaving CA were sane you wouldn't see the insanity spreading. Special use roads are nothing compared to TN where an antique plate only allows you to drive on the weekend! Looking at it this way all roads in TN are "zero emission zones" during the week. Over 20 years ago in ID smog was required on my CA smog exempt 66 Bonneville!

[John Codman]

Chad - When I lived in Massachusetts we had the best voter ID ever. The same poll workers (somehow, that feels kinda dirty) worked the tables at every election. They knew every registered voter in the town. There was no way that an imposter could have voted. Here in Florida I vote by mail. In order to vote by mail you have to show a positive ID every few years. I may start a firestorm here, but I don't believe that there is enough voter fraud in the United States to make a difference in a major election. On a national scale it would take hundreds, perhaps thousands of corrupt election staff to pull it off. Humans are not very good at keeping secrets; someone would talk and there would be hell to pay.

[Norman Kling]

I can understand why they would want it in Tennessee. They have the "Great Smokey Mountains" Don't want to add to the smoke!
Norm

[tdump]

thanks to canada we have had more than our fair share of smoke all over this area. florida was even choked out last week.
Voter id is a good way to restore and maintain confidence,anyone objecting to simply showing a photo Id to vote,must be hiding something.

[Oldav8tor]

I live in a rural area next to Lake Huron which normally has some of the cleanest air in the country. This past summer there were days we stayed inside because the air was unbreatheable due to Canadian smoke. On one of those days I had to fly a mission for the sheriff looking for a missing person and the visibility made the flight barely legal, even thought there wasn't a cloud in the sky. Other parts of the country do have air quality problems and have been dealing with it for years. As to the proposals in California...I'll leave it to those who live there to comment.

Michigan puts no restrictions on antique cars other than those that go with Historical Plates (summer months or car events at other times of the year). Me, I put a regular plate on my '17 and drive it where and when I feel like it. I have also driven in Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin and Canada without being challenged.

Regarding voter ID, we all have to show it to register. There are people who for whatever reason don't have photo ID such as driver's licenses, passports, etc. When they register they must present acceptable proof of identity and residence and submit their signature. Before covid, almost everyone voted in person and in our small township there are very few people not personally known to the poll workers. Now, many vote absentee, including my wife and myself. If there are questions, we'd get a phone call. Across the country we have untold numbers of volunteers who do their best to make our elections run smoothly and fairly. To suggest otherwise does them a disservice. Anyone who has ever worked an election knows there are many, many checks and balances. Fraud on a local scale would be next to impossible, much less on a national scale.

[TXGOAT2]

Chicago/Cook County, and others...

[John Codman]

Chicago/Cook County, and others...

Historically you are correct about Cook County, but the last election there that likely had significant voter fraud was about 60 years ago.

I did some checking, and found that about 6% of all cars and trucks registered in the USA are 25 or more years old. My personal opinion is that these cars don't get driven nearly as much as their newer counterparts. I'm just guessing, but based on the usage of antique cars by owners that I know, they are driven less then 25% of the miles that the same folks daily transportation do. I'm guessing, but I'll bet the collector cars account for about 1% of the total miles driven each year in America. This doesn't amount to enough for any sane person; even an extreme environmentalist, to get their panties in a wad over. It's simply not a real problem.

[TXGOAT2]

Corruption is deeply embedded in many urban counties around the country. Clark County Nevada is probably as bad as any.

[Mark Nunn]

I did some checking, and found that about 6% of all cars and trucks registered in the USA are 25 or more years old. My personal opinion is that these cars don't get driven nearly as much as their newer counterparts. I'm just guessing, but based on the usage of antique cars by owners that I know, they are driven less then 25% of the miles that the same folks daily transportation do. I'm guessing, but I'll bet the collector cars account for about 1% of the total miles driven each year in America. This doesn't amount to enough for any sane person; even an extreme environmentalist, to get their panties in a wad over. It's simply not a real problem.

Good point, John. I would further add that the total social energy consumed to build new cars is far higher than what it takes to keep an older car on the road. If someone forces us to by a new vehicle with the premise of reducing pollutants, the amount of global pollutants expelled to build the car is more than driving an older and less efficient car. I don't recall the name of the 400-page report that I read years ago. But, it was a study of the global social energy of every car model that was then commercially sold in the US.

[Norman Kling]

We're not the only ones! Stockholm Sweden has designated an area within that city which allows no gas nor diesel vehicles.
Norm

[BuddyTheRoadster]

Here's a report on the topic from Hemmings: https://www.hemmings.com/stories/califo ... ssic-cars/ The legislation is taking a very holistic stance of classic cars to include modern classic cars--remember, to the young generation, the 1990s are classic cars--and John Swanton of CARB is quoted as saying that no emission zones are more about congestion management than prohibiting or destroying antique cars. It'll be interesting to see if any other news source corroborates the Daily Caller's original report.

[TXGOAT2]

I find that most politicians, given power, do as they wish, regardless of what they say they would do, or what we the people wish for them to do, or what common sense would suggest that they do, if anything. This can be counted on whenever an action by "lawmakers" would increase the already grossly excessive flow of money and/or power to government, to the disadvantage of and at the expense of the people.

[Norman Kling]

One good move the government in California has made in the last month is to lift the ban on "Low Riders" That modification has been a part of our Latinx culture and will now be allowed.
Norm

[TRDxB2]

Here in califunny… the ding dongs historically vote for the familiar face. Ever wonder why we seem to always have a governor with the same last name or movie star in office…? Sometimes less worse than others, but always with some connection to hollyweird or San franpsycho. Unfortunately on Election Day, all the conservative voters are busy packing their moving trucks…

Did Governor Newsom change his name from Nuisance, Nonsense, or was it Nosence.