1912 Length of horn conduit?

[49willard]

I am installing the correct double twist Rubes horn on my new to me foredoor. Can anyone tell me the correct length of the brass conduit not including the horn itself or the squeeze bulb. What I have currently measures 51 inches but to my eye it looks like it droops a little low below the door opening and was there a fastener of any sort holding the conduit loop against the body below the door opening?
New at Model T's, any help much appreciated!

[Colin Mavins]

It is my under standing that US cars in 1912 the horn tube ran inside the car . my 12 being a Canadian car with a left front door that opens it has a clip , I have only seen this clip on Canadian built cars. AS for lenght Dad renewed this in 1960 and based the lenght on pictures of other cars

[Colin Mavins]

It is hard to see but it is there a small brass clip held by 1 flat head screw bottom right corner of the door.

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Here are 2 pics of original cars both are a little long in my opinion. I would say these cars are US cars as they have no hinges on the left door . They do not have the Canadian clip

[michaelb2296]

39”is what i measure this rubes as…. Not sure if its the same as yours. Minus the 3.25” brass end that screws into horn and minus the bulb mount bracket. I.e. just the distance of the “exposed” tube. So, maybe 1/2” more…

Does that help?

[Russ T Fender]

Can't say it's right but this is how it is on my late '12. Can't measure the length as I'm not near the car now.

[BubbaSmithTinLizzy]

According to this 1913 advertisement the standard flexible tube length was 40"

[49willard]

Colin, Michael, Russ and Bubba thank you for your responses! Colin, the picture of your car just looks right to me. I agree that the other era pictures look too long. I suspect that without the clip the tubing could lay over the door opening. Michael, thanks for the 39" measurement. That agrees with the 40" in the era ad provided by Bubba. It is interesting Russ however that your tubing is long more like the era photos. I think that I will mock up the horn/tubing with 40 inches before cutting and could consider a clip. I do have twin sidemounts on the (US) drivers side. The other help provided by the pictures is the placement of the horn as to height as mounted on the firewall. Thanks to all!
Bill

[Joe Bell]

My original 12 shows the horn on the inside, firewall is drilled and the mounting holes on door are on inside, never been restored.

[Russ T Fender]

For what It's worth, my car was restored from a compete original car and that is the way the horn and cable were set up when the car was found. I assume someone secured it along the wood runner at some point to keep it from slapping on the door as I doubt that is correct.

[49willard]

Joe,
Is your 12 a Fore-door? If so where was the bulb for the horn located? Mine came to me with a single twist, hole thru the firewall with the bulb up on the top of the "door". This meant that the left side "door" panel and A pillar could not removed with the horn connected. I purchased a double twist horn which is not designed to go thru the firewall (I think?) and was planning to mount the bulb outside? Did I mention that I am new to the T community! I did not see how with the horn thru the firewall would allow the doors to be installed with the bulb on the mounted outside by the drivers left arm. What am I missing?

[Colin Mavins]

Just to through a monkey wench into the mix here are some US 1912s with the single twist black and brass tube inside the body

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[49willard]

Just to through a monkey wench into the mix here are some US 1912s with the single twist black and brass tube inside the bodys-l1600 (38).jpg1B092E49-781B-4E7D-96B4-708D39AF8543.jpegIMG_7984.jpeg

I agree that the horns appear to go thru the firewall in the photos but I do not see a squeeze bulb. Is it a case where the squeeze bulb is direct connected to the horn without any flexible hose such that you would reach down and forward to squeeze the bulb?

[Colin Mavins]

In two of the pictures the bulb comes up in the centre of the door

[Colin Mavins]

here are some pics of a US t I would say original interior

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[49willard]

In two of the pictures the bulb comes up in the centre of the door

Colin, thanks for the original pix, that is helpfull!
I do now see the bulbs however it would seem that door removal is not an option.

[Colin Mavins]

I dont think door removal was a big thing back in the day US cars dont have a driver door because it is so hard to get in and out of, I have not used the driver door on my T since I was 18 years old Canadian cars have left front doors because Canadian plants built right hand drive cars. I have pictures of my car back to 1936 I think you will find the only time my doors have been off is then you pull the engine. On another note if you would like side curtain patterns I can email them to you Cheers Colin

[49willard]

Colin,
Thanks for your response and offer of patterns. I would like to take you up on your offer of the patterns. I suspect that I will most likely run with the doors removed but for a fall tour doors and further enclosing the cockpit sounds like a fine idea. I will try to figure out how to send my contact info offline.