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New to the forums, but not new to the T. I was an MTFCA member in the 80/90's (6 mags/yr & no such thing as forums). I had a 26 TT closed cab for 40+ yrs, but had no place to store it when I retired and sold it 5 yrs ago. I also own a 29 A Roadster, among a host of other car projects. I recently picked up a 14 Touring, named her Daisy Mae...pics attached.
I dislike the overused term "barnfind", but, she's literally just that.
Pretty much entirely original condition, in very decent shape from an older, minimalist, restoration in the late 60's (more details to follow). The car has quite a number of interesting period aftermarket modifications, some I've never seen before. Now, before the overzealous of you bunch start arguing over what's "not original" on her, just hold yer damn horses for a minute...this old girl has an incredible back story....and I'll get to it by posting individual stories to this thread.
But, I'm proud to be the newest care taker of this wonderful old car, and great to be back to MTFCA!
I dislike the overused term "barnfind", but, she's literally just that.
Pretty much entirely original condition, in very decent shape from an older, minimalist, restoration in the late 60's (more details to follow). The car has quite a number of interesting period aftermarket modifications, some I've never seen before. Now, before the overzealous of you bunch start arguing over what's "not original" on her, just hold yer damn horses for a minute...this old girl has an incredible back story....and I'll get to it by posting individual stories to this thread.
But, I'm proud to be the newest care taker of this wonderful old car, and great to be back to MTFCA!
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Cant wait.
Interesting foot horn.
Does it work well?
This might be a good option to keep the normally mounted bulb out of the way.
Interesting foot horn.
Does it work well?
This might be a good option to keep the normally mounted bulb out of the way.
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So a couple of things aren't quite 1914. No big deal. Looks like a keeper.
The inevitable often happens.
1915 Runabout
1923 Touring
1915 Runabout
1923 Touring
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The horn works fine, but I don't think I like the idea of working the bulb with my foot...thinking too much potential for stress on the brass, but also about the time you're honking at something is the very point in time your foot should be dancing on the pedals.
Conversely, at 6'4" its gonna be a job figuring where I can mount it on the "door" without it getting in the way of my leg.
Once cleaned up though I'll be painting the horn body back to black
Conversely, at 6'4" its gonna be a job figuring where I can mount it on the "door" without it getting in the way of my leg.
Once cleaned up though I'll be painting the horn body back to black
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So, the backstory of this car.
It was purchased new in 1914 by a rather well to do family in Decatur MI. The new owner, J.E. Goble, even felt compelled to claim the car as his by signing the inside of the coil box cover at some point in time....
In 1915, the road up to Pikes Peak CO was completed, and 1916 brought the inaugural annual race to the top. There is some uncertainty as to whether it was for the first or second race, but, J.E. Goble, in either 1916 or 17, took his wife on a long summer road trip cross country from MI to CO to see the race. (Works the old imagination considering what stories they had with that road trip!!!). In preparation for the trip, Gobles made some modifications to the car, some of which I've never seen in my day.
(I'll cover each mod in separate posts).
The second owner was a neighbor of the Gobles, who was 7 at the time they bought it new. He was instantly in love, and as he got older he continually begged to buy the car...finally being successful in 1930...when he was in college. The car was moved to the family farm, covered & stored in the barn....where...due to life's circumstance, it sat for decades. Ultimately, the car became a retirement project in the late 60's/early 70's.
This pic was taken when it was rolled out of the barn for the first time in the 60's (apologies for the poor quality, pic was taken looking thru a slide) The engine was rebuilt, and the sheet metal was painted. The wood on this thing remains solid, as are all metal panels. It has minimal rust, just surface spotting, no cancer, all seams intact.
Unfortunately, the man went blind before he was done...and...it was rolled back and recovered in the barn yet again. Per the son, these pics were of the car being stored back in the barn after the initial restoration. His son decided it was time to sell...where I am now the next care taker of this piece of history.....
It was purchased new in 1914 by a rather well to do family in Decatur MI. The new owner, J.E. Goble, even felt compelled to claim the car as his by signing the inside of the coil box cover at some point in time....
In 1915, the road up to Pikes Peak CO was completed, and 1916 brought the inaugural annual race to the top. There is some uncertainty as to whether it was for the first or second race, but, J.E. Goble, in either 1916 or 17, took his wife on a long summer road trip cross country from MI to CO to see the race. (Works the old imagination considering what stories they had with that road trip!!!). In preparation for the trip, Gobles made some modifications to the car, some of which I've never seen in my day.
(I'll cover each mod in separate posts).
The second owner was a neighbor of the Gobles, who was 7 at the time they bought it new. He was instantly in love, and as he got older he continually begged to buy the car...finally being successful in 1930...when he was in college. The car was moved to the family farm, covered & stored in the barn....where...due to life's circumstance, it sat for decades. Ultimately, the car became a retirement project in the late 60's/early 70's.
This pic was taken when it was rolled out of the barn for the first time in the 60's (apologies for the poor quality, pic was taken looking thru a slide) The engine was rebuilt, and the sheet metal was painted. The wood on this thing remains solid, as are all metal panels. It has minimal rust, just surface spotting, no cancer, all seams intact.
Unfortunately, the man went blind before he was done...and...it was rolled back and recovered in the barn yet again. Per the son, these pics were of the car being stored back in the barn after the initial restoration. His son decided it was time to sell...where I am now the next care taker of this piece of history.....
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I imagine that Mrs. Goble, being a fine lady, was not as enthralled about the trip as Mr. Goble, certainly not considering the prospects of a month long trip sleeping on the ground sharing her bed with the creepy crawlies.
I bet the first and most important mod Mr. Goble made was to convert the front seat back to recline, and in so doing to make a bed to convince his wife to make the trip!
By cutting the sides of the front seat, adding in new wood to strengthen and to tack each side of the sheet metal and upholstery, adding hinges and lock brackets, enabled the seat back to be lowered and convert to a bed. Not a very big bed, all of 38"x58", and certainly no PosturePedic, but...workable enough!
I bet the first and most important mod Mr. Goble made was to convert the front seat back to recline, and in so doing to make a bed to convince his wife to make the trip!
By cutting the sides of the front seat, adding in new wood to strengthen and to tack each side of the sheet metal and upholstery, adding hinges and lock brackets, enabled the seat back to be lowered and convert to a bed. Not a very big bed, all of 38"x58", and certainly no PosturePedic, but...workable enough!
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I'm sure this looked more enticing than sleeping on the ground!
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Thank you for sharing the pictures and provenance of that fantastic touring Kurt. Just throw a quilt over the original upholstery. Don’t replace it !! It needs to be studied. And please don’t be in too big a rush to replace the 1915 style headlamps. They may be OEM to the car. Component transitions between 1914 and 15 lasted for months beginning about 8/14…..What is the casting date and engine serial number ??
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Amazing car.... Nice mod for camping... or... other activities.
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Nice looking car still in “as used and kept going condition”! These were the T’s that weren’t taken down and totally restored. Glad it was kept as it really was and survived over the years. I’m glad some perfectionist didn’t get a hold of it a decade or so ago and lose the real life characteristics of a long lived T acquired along the way!
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Given the lack of improved roads across that expanse of rural America between MI and CO, the other mod made to the car was to add aftermarket spring shock absorbers on all 4 corners.
Now, I have seen the common Hassler's, as well as the W&C, Liberty and H&D shocks. While these are similar design to the H&D and W&C style, the arms on mine are more straight and less curved, and made a bit differently. There are no markings on these, and I have not been able to find anything that looks similar.
Any conjecture?
Now, I have seen the common Hassler's, as well as the W&C, Liberty and H&D shocks. While these are similar design to the H&D and W&C style, the arms on mine are more straight and less curved, and made a bit differently. There are no markings on these, and I have not been able to find anything that looks similar.
Any conjecture?
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Yup, my plan is to keep this car intact as found, and only address mitigating rust issues, and keeping it maintained in operating condition as is. It's a rolling museum!
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Nice old car, I have a '14 in similar condition, but no fold down seat. Enjoy it !
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So much inclement weather to expect on a long cross country trip, who wants to get out of that nice warm bed and go outside in the mud & rain to start the car?
So...next mod on the car was to add an in cabin pull start. The only remnant actually remains on the car is the firewall tube for the pull handle, the other pieces no longer on the car, one of which now missing.
But, similar to the shocks, I have never seen this pull starter before. I have seen the Simplex, Universal, Sieverkropp, Boston...but found no reference to this one. It's cable operated vs the more common chain, but does have cast marks with the name Brinnon, and patent pending. I figured without a patent number I'd be SOL, but, a patent search using just the name was successful.
The armature is bent, probably explains why it was removed from the car
So...next mod on the car was to add an in cabin pull start. The only remnant actually remains on the car is the firewall tube for the pull handle, the other pieces no longer on the car, one of which now missing.
But, similar to the shocks, I have never seen this pull starter before. I have seen the Simplex, Universal, Sieverkropp, Boston...but found no reference to this one. It's cable operated vs the more common chain, but does have cast marks with the name Brinnon, and patent pending. I figured without a patent number I'd be SOL, but, a patent search using just the name was successful.
The armature is bent, probably explains why it was removed from the car
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A patent search on the name Brinnon led to the application submitted Sept 22, 1915
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The car retains the original engine, built in April 14.
My experience being T titles use the engine # as VIN being the most common/consistent number source. So, I gulped hard reviewing the Title noting a mismatch.
Apparently from what I gather, the bodies produced by Ford in the early yeats contained a body # stamped to the patent plate. Up to 1913 there was consistency in stamping the engine # to the body plate, but, that diverged to using different #'s....or so I've read.
Such explained the Title number...it was the body plate, not the engine. Cast dates of 1/28/14 on the block, and Jan 13 on the head.
My experience being T titles use the engine # as VIN being the most common/consistent number source. So, I gulped hard reviewing the Title noting a mismatch.
Apparently from what I gather, the bodies produced by Ford in the early yeats contained a body # stamped to the patent plate. Up to 1913 there was consistency in stamping the engine # to the body plate, but, that diverged to using different #'s....or so I've read.
Such explained the Title number...it was the body plate, not the engine. Cast dates of 1/28/14 on the block, and Jan 13 on the head.
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As for the headlights, the son told me his Dad stated the car originally came with the electric lights, and never had the gas headlights per his memory. I seriously doubt it came from the factory this way, April was way too early for any crossovers with '15, that, and neither did Ford produce electric pickle fork lamps, being single post design from day one, nor were they of this rim design. So, either the Ford dealer modified the car with aftermarket headlamps per the buyers request, or, he changed them out himself, maybe in preparation for the CO trip...who knows. The running board does show what appear to be mounting bolt holes for a carbide acetylene generator. Regardless, it is known, at least via first person witness, that these are correct to the car since new. I haven't yet taken them off the car to check for any manufacturer stamps, but none are visible.
The switch also looks to be a period aftermarket, a simple on off switch, that, and certainly no resemblance to the 15 style switch.
Unfortunately, there's no continuity thru the switch, so I'm crossing fingers I can repair it...
The switch also looks to be a period aftermarket, a simple on off switch, that, and certainly no resemblance to the 15 style switch.
Unfortunately, there's no continuity thru the switch, so I'm crossing fingers I can repair it...
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The car apparently had a speedometer at one time, but does no longer.
The only thing I'm scratching my head over is there are 4 screw holes in the dash, whereas I had thought most speedo's of the 14 era were 3 screw mounts..... ????
Thoughts? ??
The only thing I'm scratching my head over is there are 4 screw holes in the dash, whereas I had thought most speedo's of the 14 era were 3 screw mounts..... ????
Thoughts? ??
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The original side curtains are still stored underneath the rear seat, also found underneath those were a pair of work or driving gloves, as well as driving goggles....
Per the son, he also claims it is the original cocomat in the back
One thing I have no knowledge of is the purpose for the buckle straps found under the cushion....anyone??
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Those straps and buckles at the bottom of the seat are for fastening the top boot.
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Thank you!!!Erik Johnson wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 4:51 pmThose straps and buckles at the bottom of the seat are for fastening the top boot.
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Another aftermarket accessory with the car, being a MI cold winter car....is a coal fired foot warmer....although I'm not sure I would have wanted hot coals anywhere near the cocomat!!!!
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The coils that are currently in the car are a mixed bag....
From a '13 era 6 screw brass top, a '14/later 4 screw brass top, a K&W wood top, and an unmarked wood top....
Here's the two earlier ones....
Only 1 of the four (the KW) are buzzing off of 12v...
The mag on the other hand is my first hurdle to tackle, currently producing only 1.6v on a fast spin of the crank....
Dead magnets...maybe...will first recharge in car...
After a thorough prep of the engine/electronics I may attempt a first crank on a battery and see how the mag operates at speed...
If it starts. I'm just paranoid enough to believe it's the ring coils, requiring a tear down. But, that might not be a bad route either.
From a '13 era 6 screw brass top, a '14/later 4 screw brass top, a K&W wood top, and an unmarked wood top....
Here's the two earlier ones....
Only 1 of the four (the KW) are buzzing off of 12v...
The mag on the other hand is my first hurdle to tackle, currently producing only 1.6v on a fast spin of the crank....
Dead magnets...maybe...will first recharge in car...
After a thorough prep of the engine/electronics I may attempt a first crank on a battery and see how the mag operates at speed...
If it starts. I'm just paranoid enough to believe it's the ring coils, requiring a tear down. But, that might not be a bad route either.
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As for the fuel system, the tank is solid and in probably the best condition I have ever seen an antique tank. The interior is still solid galvanized, with only minor surface rust at the baffle connections, at least as far as can be seen. The sediment bulb required a complete overhaul, and new line installed.
The Holly G carb was very gummed up internally, requiring a good soak, snaking the passages, resized the main jet, installed a new strangle tube and composite float (the cork float literally disintegrated in my hand). Hopefully good to go now...
The Holly G carb was very gummed up internally, requiring a good soak, snaking the passages, resized the main jet, installed a new strangle tube and composite float (the cork float literally disintegrated in my hand). Hopefully good to go now...
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I wasn't getting any juice thru the coil box, neither the 1.6v off the mag, nor from a 6 or 12 batt off the battery post. A tear down of the switch revealed the common wire had corroded and broke connection at its post....always the simple stuff that gets you in trouble!
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Another 1914 anomaly on this car...
It was stated that while the body was repainted in the 60's, there was no cancer, no repairs, and no panel replacements made. It still shows the dents and dings it earned in its life, but all panels are solid, no seam or edge rot, underside of doors are solid, etc.
So on that basis, from what I've been told, and based on the overall condition of the entire car, and the fact I have all reciepts for everything his dad bought for the restoration, it is my belief all metal is original.
However....the curiosity being the front fenders are early 13 style, being flat panel without the lateral ridge of the 14 style. I would think April 14 would be far enough removed from any 13 crossover/use of inventory.......who knows.
So, either an example of last production to use old 13 stock, or maybe early replacement by the original owner for some reason (accident? But no other signs in the chassis of such), or, just yet another example of a period curiosity to fuel endless debate. In other words....yet another T mystery.
It was stated that while the body was repainted in the 60's, there was no cancer, no repairs, and no panel replacements made. It still shows the dents and dings it earned in its life, but all panels are solid, no seam or edge rot, underside of doors are solid, etc.
So on that basis, from what I've been told, and based on the overall condition of the entire car, and the fact I have all reciepts for everything his dad bought for the restoration, it is my belief all metal is original.
However....the curiosity being the front fenders are early 13 style, being flat panel without the lateral ridge of the 14 style. I would think April 14 would be far enough removed from any 13 crossover/use of inventory.......who knows.
So, either an example of last production to use old 13 stock, or maybe early replacement by the original owner for some reason (accident? But no other signs in the chassis of such), or, just yet another example of a period curiosity to fuel endless debate. In other words....yet another T mystery.
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Kurt, thank you for this guided tour through a remarkable survivor ! It’s not often a T of any age comes with a documented provenance. Simply wonderful !
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What a remarkable car Kurt. From your posts, it is in very good hands. The fabricated steel accessory shock absorbers may be a cheaper rendition of those with the cast arms. That yours are not badly worn at the pivot points is testament to them having had very limited use. The L shaped shackles may have been fitted on their installation, indicating early 1920's fitment.
My 1915 Canadian car did have fork mounted electric headlights, but they did not have hinged lens doors like those on your car.You are most likely correct in thinking they are an aftermarket fitment. The different switch is one clue, the lens doors another and the timeline for a 1914 car is off also.
Enjoy your time with her, and your discoveries as you get to know her.
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My 1915 Canadian car did have fork mounted electric headlights, but they did not have hinged lens doors like those on your car.You are most likely correct in thinking they are an aftermarket fitment. The different switch is one clue, the lens doors another and the timeline for a 1914 car is off also.
Enjoy your time with her, and your discoveries as you get to know her.
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The fold-down seat is a swell addition to a wonderful car. It reminds me that there have been times when I would have appreciated such luxury. On rainy nights I have put a large tarp on my 1915 runabout, making it a sort of tent where I slept on the seat. You might think that at 6'1" I suffered greatly, but it wasn't as bad as it sounds. It sure didn't keep me awake. 

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1915 Runabout
1923 Touring
1915 Runabout
1923 Touring
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I've slept in plenty of odd locations....I'm 6'4" and measured out where my feet would have come if I was stretched out in that bed.... I'd need a lot more!!!! LOLSteve Jelf wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 9:49 pmThe fold-down seat is a swell addition to a wonderful car. It reminds me that there have been times when I would have appreciated such luxury. On rainy nights I have put a large tarp on my 1915 runabout, making it a sort of tent where I slept on the seat. You might think that at 6'1" I suffered greatly, but it wasn't as bad as it sounds. It sure didn't keep me awake.![]()
I guess I could always sleep curled up, but there'd be no room for anyone else. I have major respect for the original owners, but I'm sure the Mrs. was happy being off the ground!
I asked my wife if she'd be willing to recreate that trip in the T, sleeping in it along the way...she said "oh hell no!!"
LOL Like I said....major props to the Gobles!!
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As for the front fenders anomaly, I know the 2nd owner (from 1930 on) never changed out any of the sheet metal.
As for my theory of possible prior replacement in the early years, maybe from an accident, I don't see any signs of such in the frame, which is easy to spot. But... the radiator, most likely original, does show some major repair having been done, two large sections with new fins brazed in. Maybe took a light enough hit to damage just the radiator and leading fender edges??
T's are always full of mysteries....
Remarkably, the radiator still holds her drink well, no leaks, not a drop....well...when cold anyway...
As for my theory of possible prior replacement in the early years, maybe from an accident, I don't see any signs of such in the frame, which is easy to spot. But... the radiator, most likely original, does show some major repair having been done, two large sections with new fins brazed in. Maybe took a light enough hit to damage just the radiator and leading fender edges??
T's are always full of mysteries....
Remarkably, the radiator still holds her drink well, no leaks, not a drop....well...when cold anyway...
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Little bit about me. Antiques, and HotRods are in my blood, instilled from my Dad, Uncles, and even my Great Grandmother.
My Dad and his brother were original Southern Calif hotrodders in the 40/50's, building chopped & channeled 32 thru 36's and racing out on the salt flats. My Uncle was also a one percenter of the one percenters...being a founding member of the Hells Angels formed in Fontana in 1947 coalesced from multiple bike gangs broken up by the LAPD. I was welding mini-bike frames at 12 for all my friends, and me and my bros building race engines before I could even drive. Ya...I have stories.
The second vehicle I bought was my 26 TT. Total frame off every last nut & bolt restoration. Unfortunately, these are the only pics I have left of the truck, being lost to time, or computer crashes. I was 17 in these pics, mid 70's....but damn it was sloooow, even with the 5:1 worm. I did have a truck based cast iron case 3 speed Warford, but never had the guts to cut my torque tube/shaft....
My Dad and his brother were original Southern Calif hotrodders in the 40/50's, building chopped & channeled 32 thru 36's and racing out on the salt flats. My Uncle was also a one percenter of the one percenters...being a founding member of the Hells Angels formed in Fontana in 1947 coalesced from multiple bike gangs broken up by the LAPD. I was welding mini-bike frames at 12 for all my friends, and me and my bros building race engines before I could even drive. Ya...I have stories.
The second vehicle I bought was my 26 TT. Total frame off every last nut & bolt restoration. Unfortunately, these are the only pics I have left of the truck, being lost to time, or computer crashes. I was 17 in these pics, mid 70's....but damn it was sloooow, even with the 5:1 worm. I did have a truck based cast iron case 3 speed Warford, but never had the guts to cut my torque tube/shaft....
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My Great Grandmother and her hubby owned a dairy ranch turn of the century in what is now Hollywood. She also owned the first gas station in Burbank and Hupmobile dealership.
Some pics of her/cars/home/businesses....
She was closing in on 100 when I bought the T....but age didn't stop her from telling me everything I needed to know about a T or turning a wrench with me.
Some pics of her/cars/home/businesses....
She was closing in on 100 when I bought the T....but age didn't stop her from telling me everything I needed to know about a T or turning a wrench with me.
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A few years back I acquired a 29 A Roadster. I named her Annie E in honor of my Great Grandmother...
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Grandma's house survived
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I had read somewhere ( and fairly recently) that the Hell's Angles were founded by several former WW2 Army pilots. Was your dad a WW 2 pilot?Daisy Mae wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 12:55 amLittle bit about me. Antiques, and HotRods are in my blood, instilled from my Dad, Uncles, and even my Great Grandmother.
My Dad and his brother were original Southern Calif hotrodders in the 40/50's, building chopped & channeled 32 thru 36's and racing out on the salt flats. My Uncle was also a one percenter of the one percenters...being a founding member of the Hells Angels formed in Fontana in 1947 coalesced from multiple bike gangs broken up by the LAPD. I was welding mini-bike frames at 12 for all my friends, and me and my bros building race engines before I could even drive. Ya...I have stories.
The second vehicle I bought was my 26 TT. Total frame off every last nut & bolt restoration. Unfortunately, these are the only pics I have left of the truck, being lost to time, or computer crashes. I was 17 in these pics, mid 70's....but damn it was sloooow, even with the 5:1 worm. I did have a truck based cast iron case 3 speed Warford, but never had the guts to cut my torque tube/shaft....
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It was my Uncle who was an HA.John Codman wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 11:08 amI had read somewhere ( and fairly recently) that the Hell's Angles were founded by several former WW2 Army pilots. Was your dad a WW 2 pilot?Daisy Mae wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 12:55 amLittle bit about me. Antiques, and HotRods are in my blood, instilled from my Dad, Uncles, and even my Great Grandmother.
My Dad and his brother were original Southern Calif hotrodders in the 40/50's, building chopped & channeled 32 thru 36's and racing out on the salt flats. My Uncle was also a one percenter of the one percenters...being a founding member of the Hells Angels formed in Fontana in 1947 coalesced from multiple bike gangs broken up by the LAPD. I was welding mini-bike frames at 12 for all my friends, and me and my bros building race engines before I could even drive. Ya...I have stories.
The second vehicle I bought was my 26 TT. Total frame off every last nut & bolt restoration. Unfortunately, these are the only pics I have left of the truck, being lost to time, or computer crashes. I was 17 in these pics, mid 70's....but damn it was sloooow, even with the 5:1 worm. I did have a truck based cast iron case 3 speed Warford, but never had the guts to cut my torque tube/shaft....
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He was not a pilot. Not sure who you're referencing, but not that I know personally. What I do know is that the LAPD busted up several motorcycle gangs who were associated with the mob operating out of the LA basin, Tahoe, and Las Vegas.
My uncle was a member of one of the busted gangs, known as the MF's (you got it). It was after this expansive bust that somebody, guessing the pilots, but collectively, members across all the busted up gangs recoalasced as the HA's in '47...my Uncle being one of them. He used to run numbers between Tahoe, a club in Burbank and Las Vegas for Bugsy Siegel. He also wrote in his memoir that one of their biggest gatherings in the day was to go to the Mexico Pacific coast simply to do a beach crawl...burying bottles of booze in the sand with a straw, and just rolling bottle to bottle as a group! LOL They had bought a 100 yr lease on some beach property in some small fishing village down there and built a small cinder block house for people to use, where he still went on occasion to the day he died.
His memoir is fascinating....
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Yes!! As has the houses to the right & left, but not much beyond that.
The gas station came first in the teens, same time they owned the Eureka Dairy, the Hupmobile dealership was built right next door in the 20's, neither exist today.
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The seat conversion is somewhat common for that period of time. I have a 1914 touring in similar condition, but no folding seat I wish to sell. I have the original upholstery too, but some former owner scraped the paint from the wheels.
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The seat conversion is somewhat common for that period of time. I have a 1914 touring in similar condition, but no folding seat I wish to sell. I have the original upholstery too, but some former owner scraped the paint from the wheels.
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Those are really nice family photos! Your Great Grandmother was quite a lady.
I have to ask if there is any history of the first family car. She owned a Hupmobile dealership and I’m assuming it was a Hupmobile in the photo.
I have to ask if there is any history of the first family car. She owned a Hupmobile dealership and I’m assuming it was a Hupmobile in the photo.
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Thats a fantastic car.
It's rare to see all the original period modifications intact, or a car with a known history to boot. Your interest in preserving it is exactly right. It's good to see it in good hands.
One suggestion - paint the wheels black. It will look a thousand times better, be much more in keeping with the genuine early details, and is easy to do. Since the wheels were previously repainted, you won't be undoing any original surface.
It's rare to see all the original period modifications intact, or a car with a known history to boot. Your interest in preserving it is exactly right. It's good to see it in good hands.
One suggestion - paint the wheels black. It will look a thousand times better, be much more in keeping with the genuine early details, and is easy to do. Since the wheels were previously repainted, you won't be undoing any original surface.
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The auto in the photo predates their Hupmobile dealership.John kuehn wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 5:13 pmThose are really nice family photos! Your Great Grandmother was quite a lady.
I have to ask if there is any history of the first family car. She owned a Hupmobile dealership and I’m assuming it was a Hupmobile in the photo.
It is a 1913 Michigan Model R.
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Thinking the same thing. The wheels were painted red during the 60's restoration. I'll be repainting back to black.hull 433 wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2024 1:10 pmThats a fantastic car.
It's rare to see all the original period modifications intact, or a car with a known history to boot. Your interest in preserving it is exactly right. It's good to see it in good hands.
One suggestion - paint the wheels black. It will look a thousand times better, be much more in keeping with the genuine early details, and is easy to do. Since the wheels were previously repainted, you won't be undoing any original surface.
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It's hard to reconcile lauding the retention/preservation of all the period accessories acquired over the ages and then suggesting that the wheels be painted a different colour. The red is part of the car's history, just as much as the rest of the stuff. Some are offended by the colour, but to change it is to alter history. Just to satisfy someone's likes? Preservation does not include modifications to suit the whim of latecomers.
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Historic preservation standards absolutely do provide for this type of treatment, which are necessarily applied to every form of preservation project, from art to architecture, or artifacts of every kind. The change discussed here is totally within those standards.
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Ya, I can buy your argument, as well as the one suggesting to change. In a way I can assign myself to being in both camps.Allan wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 1:01 amIt's hard to reconcile lauding the retention/preservation of all the period accessories acquired over the ages and then suggesting that the wheels be painted a different colour. The red is part of the car's history, just as much as the rest of the stuff. Some are offended by the colour, but to change it is to alter history. Just to satisfy someone's likes? Preservation does not include modifications to suit the whim of latecomers.
Allan from down under.
I see myself more of a purist, as well as a history buff. But neither do I cling to rigid definitions of originality, obviously I accept validity of period aftermarket pieces. Purity also becomes bastardized everyday with modern parts...here's to the "all original" T with aluminum pistons! I could even have accepted the car being repainted entirely red back in the day, even though not "correct". My problem though is, I just don't like red. So best option for me in this case, is to return to black. If the wheels were blue, I may have left them be! In the end, while my intention is to keep this car as period and as found condition, it is in the end, my car.
I also have a 29 A Roadster, where at some point, most likely 60/70's era of fancy but not always original restorations, it was modified to have both right & left fender mounted spares. Certainly not original to the car, but now a part of its history for which I have no intention to change, but neither does it bother me as a "purist".
Heck, 100 yrs from now the antiquated electric engine installed 20 years from now will be deemed a historical mod of note to be preserved! LOL
(gack....not done by me anyway!!)
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Just posting more found data on Daisy Mae.
One front hub is a 1910-13 style Cleveland Hardware... Early style tag on the radiator... Front axle is a Dodge Brothers forging:
One front hub is a 1910-13 style Cleveland Hardware... Early style tag on the radiator... Front axle is a Dodge Brothers forging:
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