Steering column shaft flange that the planetary gear posts mount

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Steering column shaft flange that the planetary gear posts mount

Post by JTT3 » Sat Nov 29, 2025 6:53 pm

How is the flange that holds the posts where the planetary gears mount attached to the shaft? I ask because we’re trying to shorten the shaft by a few inches and if that flange is a keyed press fit &/or pinned it would seem the easiest route instead of machining the bottom of the shaft. That would involve a lot more work to do. We’ve thought about cutting the amount needed off in the area that would be covered by the column housing but decided that would prevent you from seeing any issues so the other thought was to remove the amount needed between the advance stabilizer fitting and tension springs. Thoughts???


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Re: Steering column shaft flange that the planetary gear posts mount

Post by Adam » Sat Nov 29, 2025 7:03 pm

It is a separate forging that is friction welded onto the shaft a little ways down. Look at it closely & you can see.

Best way to shorten is to re-machine a taper, keyway, & thread where you need it at the bottom.

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Re: Steering column shaft flange that the planetary gear posts mount

Post by JTT3 » Sat Nov 29, 2025 7:43 pm

Agree but hoping to avoid the work ha. Thanks John

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Re: Steering column shaft flange that the planetary gear posts mount

Post by TRDxB2 » Sat Nov 29, 2025 10:49 pm

JTT3 wrote:
Sat Nov 29, 2025 6:53 pm
How is the flange that holds the posts where the planetary gears mount attached to the shaft? I ask because we’re trying to shorten the shaft by a few inches and if that flange is a keyed press fit &/or pinned it would seem the easiest route instead of machining the bottom of the shaft. That would involve a lot more work to do. We’ve thought about cutting the amount needed off in the area that would be covered by the column housing but decided that would prevent you from seeing any issues so the other thought was to remove the amount needed between the advance stabilizer fitting and tension springs. Thoughts???
Couldn't you cut of the flange & drill/machine out the undesired material and reattach as you hoped?
Also if someone is making a repro then they could do one for your needs
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Re: Steering column shaft flange that the planetary gear posts mount

Post by Henry K. Lee » Sun Nov 30, 2025 7:48 am

Machine the bottom of the shaft as others have stated...., done bunches over the years. Anything else is asking for a dangerous situation in the hands of those with limited skills. The shaft/flange attachment is where all the torque is located.

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Re: Steering column shaft flange that the planetary gear posts mount

Post by speedytinc » Sun Nov 30, 2025 12:13 pm

Henry K. Lee wrote:
Sun Nov 30, 2025 7:48 am
Machine the bottom of the shaft as others have stated...., done bunches over the years. Anything else is asking for a dangerous situation in the hands of those with limited skills. The shaft/flange attachment is where all the torque is located.

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Agreed. Much safer to chop & remachine the lower end.
Bonus: the new ,shorter section is new, unworn size.
I have done essentially the same job on shortened drive shafts. Takes a little time, but not difficult.
If you do chop & move the top, Remember to re-key to the long 3rd pins position as it was. (if the later, safer long pin top)

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Re: Steering column shaft flange that the planetary gear posts mount

Post by A Whiteman » Sun Nov 30, 2025 1:31 pm

Remember to re-key to the long 3rd pins position as it was
in relation to the keyway at the bottom of the shaft (i.e. still at the same 'o'clock' position relative to each other).


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Re: Steering column shaft flange that the planetary gear posts mount

Post by Allan » Sun Nov 30, 2025 7:13 pm

A big advantage to shortening the shaft at the bottom end is you get an unworn shaft section at the lower steering bracket bronze bushing.

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Re: Steering column shaft flange that the planetary gear posts mount

Post by JTT3 » Mon Dec 01, 2025 1:01 pm

Thanks forum we’re going to go with machining the bottom of the shaft. After thinking over the options the only safest way of the choices available with the exception of ordering a shaft custom made by a supplier, was machining the end.
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Re: Steering column shaft flange that the planetary gear posts mount

Post by Jerry VanOoteghem » Mon Dec 01, 2025 3:02 pm

Getting the taper exactly right will be the toughest part, but yes, re-machining the tapered end is the best way, as you state.

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