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Not Model T but would really like help identifying this car

Post by Dennis Fleming » Wed Mar 16, 2022 8:32 pm

Would like to know what make and model is of this car.
Thanks
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Re: Not Model T but would really like help identifying this car

Post by Rich Eagle » Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:25 pm

I would say it is a Model 30 Cadillac. I'm guessing an early one maybe 1909 or so. The kick-up in the frame is a notable feature.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadillac_Model_Thirty
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Re: Not Model T but would really like help identifying this car

Post by TRDxB2 » Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:26 pm

The unique steering wheel spider should help ID it. Also the relatively low seating, especially the rear. 10 spoke wood wheels on the front 12 spoke on the rear
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Steering wheel looks like it might be an Auburn BUT ITS NOT ONE
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Re: Not Model T but would really like help identifying this car

Post by Steve Jelf » Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:31 pm

Can you scan it (no camera) and make it a much bigger file? That might reveal some clues that aren't obvious in this tiny size.
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Re: Not Model T but would really like help identifying this car

Post by Dennis Fleming » Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:38 pm

Steve I do not have the actual photo. It was sent to me via text and ask if I knew what it was.
I have had two say that it was a Cadillac model 30 .

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Re: Not Model T but would really like help identifying this car

Post by TRDxB2 » Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:48 pm

Steve Jelf wrote:
Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:31 pm
Can you scan it (no camera) and make it a much bigger file? That might reveal some clues that aren't obvious in this tiny size.
Besides steering wheel and spokes, rear fender and door handle
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Re: Not Model T but would really like help identifying this car

Post by Allan » Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:20 pm

Frank, I wouldn't bank on an Auburn going on the information given on the photo. They can't spell Auburn, they don't know coupe from a roadster, and can't spell coupe either. :roll: That steering wheel certainly looks similar though.

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Re: Not Model T but would really like help identifying this car

Post by TRDxB2 » Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:04 pm

Allan wrote:
Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:20 pm
Frank, I wouldn't bank on an Auburn going on the information given on the photo. They can't spell Auburn, they don't know coupe from a roadster, and can't spell coupe either. :roll: That steering wheel certainly looks similar though.

Allan from down under.
Agree its NOT an Auburn. I corrected the image so its no part of further discussions
I found several cars with the 10/12 spokes, some with the steering wheel , 1 or 2 with the door handle and some Tourings with flat rear fenders, and some short side wall but none with more than 2 of those matching items.
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Re: Not Model T but would really like help identifying this car

Post by 1913Runabout » Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:31 pm

Appears to be a Chalmers 30 miniature tonneau. Pretty sure it's an 11. I had an 11 touring. I regret selling it

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Re: Not Model T but would really like help identifying this car

Post by Steve Jelf » Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:33 pm

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Here's the other one blown up. What is the thing between the front wheel and the edge of the picture?
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Re: Not Model T but would really like help identifying this car

Post by Chris Instness » Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:55 pm

I think Brian nailed it. Here are some pictures of a 1910 Chalmers I found on the internet.
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Re: Not Model T but would really like help identifying this car

Post by Erik Johnson » Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:06 am

It's a 1910 Chalmers-Detroit "Forty" Pony Tonneau.

Refer to this catalog:

https://www.chuckstoyland.com/category/ ... roit-1910/

I couldn't find a period photo of a Pony Tonneau but I did find some of a Roadster. The difference between the Pony Tonneau and the Roadster is the rear seat.

https://digitalcollections.detroitpubli ... a%3A199875

https://digitalcollections.detroitpubli ... a%3A199929

https://digitalcollections.detroitpubli ... a%3A196986

If you scroll down on this page, you will see two Roadsters:

https://www.hemmings.com/stories/2010/1 ... s-chalmers

The Fountainhead museum has a 1910 Chalmers-Detroit Roadster but it has a brass radiator and later headlamps:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZZxLIHsE5E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpT0-Q0VFQA


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Re: Not Model T but would really like help identifying this car

Post by Erik Johnson » Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:07 am

Geeze Louise....

I was composing my epic post above while someone else posted the correct answer.

If you do pull up the catalog I referenced, you'll see that it is a Pony Tonneau.

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Re: Not Model T but would really like help identifying this car

Post by TRDxB2 » Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:42 am

Looks like a match to most every unique indictor - even the slant of the door handle. The questionable items could be accessories, photo perspective - whatever. I think that the "what's that to the right of the photo" may be caused by the reflect in t he brass headlamp
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Re: Not Model T but would really like help identifying this car

Post by Dennis Fleming » Thu Mar 17, 2022 7:17 am

Thanks to all the great response. It is much appreciated!!!


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Re: Not Model T but would really like help identifying this car

Post by Dennis Fleming » Thu Mar 17, 2022 9:11 am

Steve Jelf wrote:
Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:33 pm
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Here's the other one blown up. What is the thing between the front wheel and the edge of the picture?
Steve , I think the sidelights and headlights are covered in canvas bags.

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Re: Not Model T but would really like help identifying this car

Post by Rich Eagle » Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:49 pm

Thanks for mentioning Chalmers. I stand corrected. So many features look similar.
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Re: Not Model T but would really like help identifying this car

Post by Dennis Fleming » Wed Mar 23, 2022 10:26 am

Here is a scanned copy( as requested by Steve) of the Car with much clearer details .
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