1926 Coupe - Rear Directional 6V

[lirogo27]

Hi Forum Folks,

Any thoughts where to locate a possible alternative to the the directional light kits for a Model T sold by T vendors?. 6 V. I have located the directional arm and adapter for the steering wheel but am unable to find the cone lights and mount. Has anyone out there found a fair substitute that they themselves have used for the front and rear blinkers? I have a 1926 T Coupe. THX! As always I appreciate 'the dream team's' advice!

[Dennis Prince]

I used old glass clearance lights bolted to the radiator mount bolts for the front and Model A tail lights with the lower light used for the tail light and turn signal and the upper light for the stop light with stop script out of a Model A drum tail light.

[jiminbartow]

Do you have bumpers? Attached are two period 6V turn signal lights that are currently selling on eBay. They can be found by doing a search with “vintage 6V turn signal lights”. Jim Patrick.

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[lirogo27]

Do you have bumpers? Attached are two period 6V turn signal lights that are currently selling on eBay. They can be found by doing a search with “vintage 6V turn signal lights”. Jim Patrick.


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Thx Jim. That set is not coming up anywhere - sold/completed or for sale. There is one item which is a component of one in your picture selling for 250 bucks. A bit steep for one component. Do you have an auction number? Will keep trying combos of words but an auction with your exact pic is not coming up.

[lirogo27]

I used old glass clearance lights bolted to the radiator mount bolts for the front and Model A tail lights with the lower light used for the tail light and turn signal and the upper light for the stop light with stop script out of a Model A drum tail light.DSC05779.jpg[attachment=0]IMG_3688 (2).JPG

Thx Dennis. Will see if I can find these components via Google search and take a look. Appreciate it.

[jiminbartow]

Try eBay item numbers: 394060931289 and 265884474177. Vintage items like this are expensive but they really add a lot to the authentic appearance of your T. You can always contact the sellers and offer less even if they don’t allow for it. Jim Patrick

[TWrenn]

The front signals on my '25/26 Fordor are actually for a model A but they fit on the bumper beautifully and w I rk great. If you stretch your eyes enough you can see the left rear lamp poking its head up over the fender. I put one on the right rear also and adapted them with dual filament bulbs for signals/stop/running lights.

[George Mills]

For the fronts, I bought standard BEEHIVE and converted to LED. Find a 'wire rope clip' of the right size to catch the mounting of the BEEHIVE and still go around the front fender iron about 1/2 way up...works...(I'm the loon that went and changed to cloth covered wire that was pulled through woven tarred loom, and homerun to a new terminal block mounted inboard on the sills)

For the backs, I went with the Model A dual bowl teacup repros (went with stainless ring bezels-why not?)...went with Model A mounting irons for a Hack (mounted them to the bottom sills), then even bought the little flared A steel pieces to cover the connector up nice and tight). (Same loonie thang...I changed out the wire to cloth covered, pulled through tarred loom, homerun to same hidden terminal strip on sill--- but this one left as miniature lamps---fit problem with LED AND I was having issue with a dropping resistor needed with LED for all around so went incandescent).

[Mark Nunn]

I bought a second taillight for my '26 Runabout. I cut off the part that holds a license plate and mounted it on the right fender. (Don't hold cutting up a T part against me. It was a rusted, welded piece of junk.) I bought a right-side mount and backing plate from one of the vendors. I also put 2-prong sockets (from Snyders) in my two taillights and now I have brake lights and turn signals. My front turn signals look like George's. I will find some photos and add them here.

[Chris Barker]

Motorcycle lights supplied on rubber stalks, underneath

[greasemonkey100]

I second the motorcycle blinkers, small enough for an easy install and look great!

[lirogo27]

I second the motorcycle blinkers, small enough for an easy install and look great!

Jeff,

Thank you! Let me look into them. I don't want to mount to the fenders. I want to do as little damage to any part of the car in trying to mount them. It doesn't look like there is a work around for avoiding that!!! Nice car by the way! LOVE IT!

[lirogo27]

Motorcycle lights supplied on rubber stalks, underneath

Are yours mounted through the actual fenders or around them?

[lirogo27]

I bought a second taillight for my '26 Runabout. I cut off the part that holds a license plate and mounted it on the right fender. (Don't hold cutting up a T part against me. It was a rusted, welded piece of junk.) I bought a right-side mount and backing plate from one of the vendors. I also put 2-prong sockets (from Snyders) in my two taillights and now I have brake lights and turn signals. My front turn signals look like George's. I will find some photos and add them here.

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Thank you. Yes, please on the pictures. Any pictures are good pics. I want to avoid drilling through existing fenders or body parts. I am not sure it is feasible to avoid them all...but nice neat work!!!!

[lirogo27]

The front signals on my '25/26 Fordor are actually for a model A but they fit on the bumper beautifully and w I rk great. If you stretch your eyes enough you can see the left rear lamp poking its head up over the fender. I put one on the right rear also and adapted them with dual filament bulbs for signals/stop/running lights.

LOVE the color of your car. It is my favorite and I hope I will be able to paint my 26 someday that exact color.

I was actually looking at the front lights similar to yours last night.They look great on the front bumper....I need to actually buy bumpers. I have not yet. I like how yours blend through the bumper nicely and do not disturb the car lines.

How did you mount the rear?

[lirogo27]

For the fronts, I bought standard BEEHIVE and converted to LED. Find a 'wire rope clip' of the right size to catch the mounting of the BEEHIVE and still go around the front fender iron about 1/2 way up...works...(I'm the loon that went and changed to cloth covered wire that was pulled through woven tarred loom, and homerun to a new terminal block mounted inboard on the sills)

For the backs, I went with the Model A dual bowl teacup repros (went with stainless ring bezels-why not?)...went with Model A mounting irons for a Hack (mounted them to the bottom sills), then even bought the little flared A steel pieces to cover the connector up nice and tight). (Same loonie thang...I changed out the wire to cloth covered, pulled through tarred loom, homerun to same hidden terminal strip on sill--- but this one left as miniature lamps---fit problem with LED AND I was having issue with a dropping resistor needed with LED for all around so went incandescent).

George - the rear chrome teacups - was also looking at those last night but the Model A's are 12V. My car is 6V with no intention currently to change to 12V.......Are your rear chrome somehow 6V?

[lirogo27]

Try eBay item numbers: 394060931289 and 265884474177. Vintage items like this are expensive but they really add a lot to the authentic appearance of your T. You can always contact the sellers and offer less even if they don’t allow for it. Jim Patrick

ODD. I did not see those and i tried all those word combos. I did see a few others, but not the nicely refurb ones. I wonder if I could somehow mount those without drilling through turtle deck or fenders. I like them!

[Novice]

Snyder's catalog shows the tea cup tail lights both left with clear license plate window and right side with just the light. Dual filament bulb for tail. stop and turn. Cat # T-6956 left. T-6956-R right side. 6 volt. If your coup has cowl lights they can be converted to electric with led or reg bulbs for 6 or 12 volt and used for front turn signals and running lights if desired.

[Steve Jelf]

My 1915 had no electric lights other than the magneto headlamps.

For tail/brake lights I used a pair of twenties stock Ford tail lights picked up at Hershey.

Combining bits of paint can with body solder, I removed the openings for license plate lights.

I wiped the road dust off the lights for a picture. The tail/brake lights have 1157 equivalent LED's. I went with 12 volts because they're readily available and likely to remain so. The rear turn signals are beehive lights also from Hershey. Magnetic trailer lights on the fenders were an abject failure, so I made removable stalks that fasten to the bottom of the body with wing nuts.

[jiminbartow]

If you get the one piece directional signal, you could rig up a stand for it and sit it on the package tray behind the seat inside your coupe, close to the rear window so that the lighted directional arrows can be seen through the back window. No need for any drilling or destructive modifications and the rare and expensive vintage unit is protected from the weather. You might even stick it to the rear window with stick on Velcro so it can easily be removed for servicing. Jim Patrick

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[lirogo27]

Snyder's catalog shows the tea cup tail lights both left with clear license plate window and right side with just the light. Dual filament bulb for tail. stop and turn. Cat # T-6956 left. T-6956-R right side. 6 volt. If your coup has cowl lights they can be converted to electric with led or reg bulbs for 6 or 12 volt and used for front turn signals and running lights if desired.

That is odd. I spoke directly with Joe at Snyders in regards to the kit. He said they have not had the kit and are unsure when it would come back. I am a bit surprised he did not mention he had the actual lights when I was on the phone with him. All he had to sell was the Turn signal arm, Flasher and Flasher socket. Bulbs and the rest i was on my own with. I will reach back out to him and see what is what

[speedytinc]

I am particularly fond of the 28 A tuna can tail lights.
They mount directly to the 26-7 stands.
They look similar to the period optional accessory Ford tail light with the stop script inside.
I personally think they are better proportioned visually, not to mention way cheaper than the original accessory light & readily available as re-pops.

[lirogo27]

My 1915 had no electric lights other than the magneto headlamps.


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For tail/brake lights I used a pair of twenties stock Ford tail lights picked up at Hershey.


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Combining bits of paint can with body solder, I removed the openings for license plate lights.


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I wiped the road dust off the lights for a picture. The tail/brake lights have 1157 equivalent LED's. I went with 12 volts because they're readily available and likely to remain so. The rear turn signals are beehive lights also from Hershey. Magnetic trailer lights on the fenders were an abject failure, so I made removable stalks that fasten to the bottom of the body with wing nuts.

Mr. Jelf!!! Hershey is far away. Wish I had the ability to go. Maybe next one. In interim I will see what i can find!

[lirogo27]

If you get the one piece directional signal, you could rig up a stand for it and sit it on the package tray behind the seat inside your coupe, close to the rear window so that the lighted directional arrows can be seen through the back window. No need for any drilling or destructive modifications and the rare and expensive vintage unit is protected from the weather. You might even stick it to the rear window with stick on Velcro so it can easily be removed for servicing. Jim Patrick


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I saw this one. It was 260 bucks!!! But I do love it

[lirogo27]

I am particularly fond of the 28 A tuna can tail lights.
They mount directly to the 26-7 stands.
They look similar to the period optional accessory Ford tail light with the stop script inside.
I personally think they are better proportioned visually, not to mention way cheaper than the original accessory light & readily available as re-pops.

John, You are close by! I attend the LB Club. Any indication of where I could scrounge up the tuna cans? (DOn't say the supermarket!!!!!)

[jiminbartow]

Determine a price you feel it is worth and make the seller an offer. He may surprise you and accept. Good luck. Jim Patrick

[lirogo27]

Snyder's catalog shows the tea cup tail lights both left with clear license plate window and right side with just the light. Dual filament bulb for tail. stop and turn. Cat # T-6956 left. T-6956-R right side. 6 volt. If your coup has cowl lights they can be converted to electric with led or reg bulbs for 6 or 12 volt and used for front turn signals and running lights if desired.

Novice

just looked them up. I really like them - although they do say 1923 and mine is a 26. Odd that Snyders did not reference this when I spoke with them. I told Joe I was looking for brake lights. I did not get him on phone today. Will try tomorrow and if they are not in Saturday I will circle with them on Monday.

[Steve Jelf]

Hershey is far away. Wish I had the ability to go.

San Joaquin Valley is a lot closer. Tulare in April.

[vech]

This is what I did on our 1922 coupe.
In the first photo:
I bought a old universal add on directional stalk off of Ebay and made an adapter out of aluminum round stock so it would clamp onto the diamond cross section steering column.

In the second photo, I bought reproduction '37 Ford LED brake/tail lights, and made the mounting stalks out of 1/2 steel round stock (by heating it up and bending it around a 8 inch steel pipe) with flat bar welded on the ends for mounting, to fake an "original" appearance.

In the third photo, I found a set of a arrow directionals, installed LED boards in them, and made the mounting stalks out of 1/2 steel round stock with flat bar welded on the ends for mounting them.

The non model T observer of the car thinks they are "original" since they sorta look like they belong on there, and are obviously not plastic truck/trailer clearance lights.

[speedytinc]

I am particularly fond of the 28 A tuna can tail lights.
They mount directly to the 26-7 stands.
They look similar to the period optional accessory Ford tail light with the stop script inside.
I personally think they are better proportioned visually, not to mention way cheaper than the original accessory light & readily available as re-pops.

John, You are close by! I attend the LB Club. Any indication of where I could scrounge up the tuna cans? (DOn't say the supermarket!!!!!)

I did a bit of looking. Brattons A & Snyders list them in Left & right. Unfortunately both are out of stock for the lefts. Available in nickel or black. If one didnt want to wait, a left could be made from a right. The clear lense, gasket & clips are available. Dont forget the 2 stop stencils. Not clear if they are included. Around $130 each.
Original pass. cars were plated brass. Typically cracked.
I was really lucky to find a pair of commercial units. (steel cans) Painted them black.
One of the OC members pet a set of nickeled on his restored coupe. Really sharp!

[lirogo27]

I am particularly fond of the 28 A tuna can tail lights.
They mount directly to the 26-7 stands.
They look similar to the period optional accessory Ford tail light with the stop script inside.
I personally think they are better proportioned visually, not to mention way cheaper than the original accessory light & readily available as re-pops.

John, You are close by! I attend the LB Club. Any indication of where I could scrounge up the tuna cans? (DOn't say the supermarket!!!!!)

I did a bit of looking. Brattons A & Snyders list them in Left & right. Unfortunately both are out of stock for the lefts. Available in nickel or black. If one didnt want to wait, a left could be made from a right. The clear lense, gasket & clips are available. Dont forget the 2 stop stencils. Not clear if they are included. Around $130 each.
Original pass. cars were plated brass. Typically cracked.
I was really lucky to find a pair of commercial units. (steel cans) Painted them black.
One of the OC members pet a set of nickeled on his restored coupe. Really sharp!

John, your set up looks amazing and love the front directionals!!!!. Just received from Snyders the Turn switch adapter. Seal beam pigtails. Turn lever. Flasher. 6V pilot light bulb. T-6956 r and L is actually showing on the Snyder site as not out of stock?

[greasemonkey100]

I second the motorcycle blinkers, small enough for an easy install and look great!

Jeff,

Thank you! Let me look into them. I don't want to mount to the fenders. I want to do as little damage to any part of the car in trying to mount them. It doesn't look like there is a work around for avoiding that!!! Nice car by the way! LOVE IT!

Mine are mounted with no drilling required, it is a separate bracket mounted to the bumper bracket. Here's some photos of the rear.

[greasemonkey100]

[speedytinc]

John, You are close by! I attend the LB Club. Any indication of where I could scrounge up the tuna cans? (DOn't say the supermarket!!!!!)

I did a bit of looking. Brattons A & Snyders list them in Left & right. Unfortunately both are out of stock for the lefts. Available in nickel or black. If one didnt want to wait, a left could be made from a right. The clear lense, gasket & clips are available. Dont forget the 2 stop stencils. Not clear if they are included. Around $130 each.
Original pass. cars were plated brass. Typically cracked.
I was really lucky to find a pair of commercial units. (steel cans) Painted them black.
One of the OC members pet a set of nickeled on his restored coupe. Really sharp!

John, your set up looks amazing and love the front directionals!!!!. Just received from Snyders the Turn switch adapter. Seal beam pigtails. Turn lever. Flasher. 6V pilot light bulb. T-6956 r and L is actually showing on the Snyder site as not out of stock?

I think you have me confused with another John. I did not post any pictures of my T with the early A tail lights.
I did mention my preference for their appearance on a T, partly since no one else showed or mentioned them.

You are welcome to come by & see them on my 23 touring & contrast the appearance to the accessory 25-27 Ford tail light on my roadster P.U. parked next to it. Also, you can see Rich Dobsons coupe, I mentioned @ our weekly thursday night T party.

[lirogo27]

I did a bit of looking. Brattons A & Snyders list them in Left & right. Unfortunately both are out of stock for the lefts. Available in nickel or black. If one didnt want to wait, a left could be made from a right. The clear lense, gasket & clips are available. Dont forget the 2 stop stencils. Not clear if they are included. Around $130 each.
Original pass. cars were plated brass. Typically cracked.
I was really lucky to find a pair of commercial units. (steel cans) Painted them black.
One of the OC members pet a set of nickeled on his restored coupe. Really sharp!

John, your set up looks amazing and love the front directionals!!!!. Just received from Snyders the Turn switch adapter. Seal beam pigtails. Turn lever. Flasher. 6V pilot light bulb. T-6956 r and L is actually showing on the Snyder site as not out of stock?

I think you have me confused with another John. I did not post any pictures of my T with the early A tail lights.
I did mention my preference for their appearance on a T, partly since no one else showed or mentioned them.

You are welcome to come by & see them on my 23 touring & contrast the appearance to the accessory 25-27 Ford tail light on my roadster P.U. parked next to it. Also, you can see Rich Dobsons coupe, I mentioned @ our weekly thursday night T party.

I glanced so quickly and the way the threads format I thought the pictures were YOURS. I will go back to them and see if they belong to the person above you! SORRY FOR CONFUSING YOU WITH SOMEONE ELSE. Thursday nights are hard. I live in SFV and work in DTLA. I will figure a way but since this is a new job I can't cut corners! I do go to Tom Leroux's Long Beach T Garage get togethers 1-2x a month. Stay tuned!!! (Where are your Thursday night get togethers. I agree I do love those arrow directionals on the front. A simple black can on the back both sides would be great! Lisa G

[lirogo27]

I second the motorcycle blinkers, small enough for an easy install and look great!

Jeff,

Thank you! Let me look into them. I don't want to mount to the fenders. I want to do as little damage to any part of the car in trying to mount them. It doesn't look like there is a work around for avoiding that!!! Nice car by the way! LOVE IT!

Mine are mounted with no drilling required, it is a separate bracket mounted to the bumper bracket. Here's some photos of the rear.

Jeff. OK....Those are also great. I like the small shape and how they attach with no eyesore. You all have some GREAT GREAT suggestions. Let me also look into the motorcycle blinkers . Where specifically did you buy yours.......and are they 6V as mine is a 6v car. I do see something similar light wise on eBay.

[lirogo27]

This is what I did on our 1922 coupe.
In the first photo:
I bought a old universal add on directional stalk off of Ebay and made an adapter out of aluminum round stock so it would clamp onto the diamond cross section steering column.

In the second photo, I bought reproduction '37 Ford LED brake/tail lights, and made the mounting stalks out of 1/2 steel round stock (by heating it up and bending it around a 8 inch steel pipe) with flat bar welded on the ends for mounting, to fake an "original" appearance.

In the third photo, I found a set of a arrow directionals, installed LED boards in them, and made the mounting stalks out of 1/2 steel round stock with flat bar welded on the ends for mounting them.

The non model T observer of the car thinks they are "original" since they sorta look like they belong on there, and are obviously not plastic truck/trailer clearance lights.

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Craig, I had you confused with John. I do like your front blinkers a LOT. Those sets are approximately 200 bucks. Let me see what I can do!!!!! THX for the pics!!!

[lirogo27]

Hershey is far away. Wish I had the ability to go.

San Joaquin Valley is a lot closer. Tulare in April.

You are right. The hope is this year i can go. Depends on what week I have to be back east for a family obligation.

[lirogo27]

I gotta say you are are fantastic. Everyone's ideas look great and do not detract from the T body. Not one eyesore here! Great choices. Just need to figure out which would be best!

[Jahn_Wright]

On my 1925 coupe, I used the Model A teacup style tail lights and fitted them with 6-volt LEDs (photo 2). For mounting the lights, I used the cast brackets for Model A Panel Deliveries, Pickups, and most AA Truck chassis (according to the Snyder's catalog). The bracket is Snyder's part A-13470, $18.95 each. I also used a piece of angle iron and (horrors) drilled into the spare tire carrier to mount the angle then the A-13470 bracket was bolted to the angle (bottom photo). Other than the looks of the non-authentic wiring which mostly doesn't show, I'm happy with the result.

[speedytinc]

Aware they are upside down?

[jiminbartow]

Yes. Metal STOP insert should be on top.

[Jahn_Wright]

Wasn't aware they are upside down, but they didn't come with a STOP logo so doesn't make much difference--they light just fine.

[speedytinc]

There are metal stencils available new.
I think they only came in the tuna cans, but they look neat.
They came in the 25-27 accessory tail lights from Ford & the other users like dodge.

[greasemonkey100]

Jeff,

Thank you! Let me look into them. I don't want to mount to the fenders. I want to do as little damage to any part of the car in trying to mount them. It doesn't look like there is a work around for avoiding that!!! Nice car by the way! LOVE IT!

Mine are mounted with no drilling required, it is a separate bracket mounted to the bumper bracket. Here's some photos of the rear.

Jeff. OK....Those are also great. I like the small shape and how they attach with no eyesore. You all have some GREAT GREAT suggestions. Let me also look into the motorcycle blinkers . Where specifically did you buy yours.......and are they 6V as mine is a 6v car. I do see something similar light wise on eBay.

Mine is 6 volt also. Yes they are from ebay.

[TRDxB2]

Not all suppliers have all the Model A tail light options & parts. I have listed some links to get you into their site.
Just a reminder - tail lights look for RIGHT side to not get the license plate light.

Smith & Jones (best pictures) https://www.snjparts.com/123-Model-A-Tail-Lights
Snyders' (has all kinds of brackets for both Drum & teacu style lights) https://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/subg ... ?cat=41728
Mike's https://www.mikes-afordable.com/category/1115.html
Speedway Motors (limited) https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Search?q ... 20Lighting
eBay https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R ... 2&_sacat=0

Here are some items of interest for mounting the teacup style taillights (Snyder's not the only one having these parts)

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Besides the colored STOP lens there is also a plate to go over an existing one SNJ has them

[lirogo27]

Not all suppliers have all the Model A tail light options & parts. I have listed some links to get you into their site.
Just a reminder - tail lights look for RIGHT side to not get the license plate light.

Smith & Jones (best pictures) https://www.snjparts.com/123-Model-A-Tail-Lights
Snyders' (has all kinds of brackets for both Drum & teacu style lights) https://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/subg ... ?cat=41728
Mike's https://www.mikes-afordable.com/category/1115.html
Speedway Motors (limited) https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Search?q ... 20Lighting
eBay https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R ... 2&_sacat=0

Here are some items of interest for mounting the teacup style taillights (Snyder's not the only one having these parts)
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Besides the colored STOP lens there is also a plate to go over an existing one SNJ has them
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Thank you. Let me see what combo works best in my situation. Want a good combination of not eyesore (fitting in well with the T), period correct as best as possible and not breaking the bank. THANK YOU THANK YOU